17th Mar. 2013
KNOTS in a THREAD
Recently a Prabhupada (acBSp) initiated devotee, Mahasana Dasa like several before him who recognized the "Prabhupada said" gospel to be gobbledygook, logged onto the 'Comments' section of a cult cyber tabloid. He raised issue on conflicting data presented by an article posted vs. a statement from the cult's bible- Sri-mad Bhagavatam (SB. aka Bhagavat purana). The article entitled- "ESO’s La Silla Observatory, Chile: Accurate size of the Universe," informed readers that previous method used to measure astral distance was superseded by a new discovery, ergo a more accurate calculation of distance: "Up to now finding an accurate distance to the Large Magellanic Cloud (LMC), one of the nearest galaxies to the Milky Way, has proved elusive. As stars in this galaxy are used to fix the distance scale for more remote galaxies, it is crucially important. But careful observations of a rare class of double star has now allowed a team of astronomers to deduce a much more precise value for the LMC distance: 163 000 light-years." http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/?p=34523
At first the moderator appeared to be neutral in providing space for an open debate, but when Mahasana Dasa pushed his point (with a tinge of sarcasm) he was chopped off while pro-cult comments continued to be posted, implying a defeat since there appeared to be no further challenge. The thread (minus Mahasana Das' latest (erased) comment) is posted below between darts >> << ....with interspaced comments from BIF:
>>mahasana dasa says: 7. March 2013 at 7:17 pm
"My dear King, I have thus far described the diameter of the universe [fifty crores of yojanas, or four billion miles] and its general characteristics, according to the estimations of learned scholars." (SB 5.21.1)
Note: That makes the universe less than one light day across. How could the LMC be 163,000 light years away? This is obviously Maya.
The only explanation is that the foolish scientists hate Krishna so much that they deride Him, even though they never heard of Him or the Srimad-Bhagavatam!!
Scientists need to stop cheating, put on wigs, and sell books. Otherwise, they will spend huge amounts of our money on projects like the Voyager spacecraft, only to have it hit the innermost wall of dirt that surrounds our 4 billion mile universe. <<
>>michael sandoval says: 8. March 2013 at 4:30 am
Hahahaha, You cultists are so funny. Even when facts smack you in the face, you still believe in fairy tales. <<
>>SG says: 8. March 2013 at 9:28 am
Ha Ha Ha Wait till Yamadutas come calling on you michael sandoval, then we’ll see who has the last laugh. Ha Ha Ha. HARE KRSNA.<<
BIF: What we have here is a sect whose founder understood that science, if inclined, could expose him as a caveman godman. So he drew a line in the sand- believe in me and be saved or believe (rascal!) scientists and go to hell. He made it clear to his bleaters that anyone who didn’t agree with his wolf-in-straightjacket doctrine was an enemy to guruganda and god. As a result, we encounter lamb chops like Mr. SG Dasa who threatens perceived adversaries with cult Shreks…Yamadutas come calling.” Yeah sure….and Cinderella just left in her pumpkin carriage.
Such hare-scary nonsense is exclusively cult centric. We are 100% sure no one has ever seen a Sri-mad Yamaduta bogeyman (not counting iskcon FDG bogeywomen ^..^). Only bhakti-bashed heads and eyes tinged with the salve of cult hash (oil) can see them.
What we do know is that ex. iskcon initiated men and women end up as schizoid paranoiacs on mental disability.
Yamadutas or men in long white coats? Cultist who see Yamadutas are shocked (pun intended) when they meet men in long white coats.
yamas r comin' !!
>>Pratyatosa Dasa (ACBSP) says: 8. March 2013 at 2:45 pm
michael sandoval says: Hahahaha, You cultists are so funny. Even when facts smack you in the face, you still believe in fairy tales.
Sadaputa Prabhu, our foremost devotee scientist, says that there are no conflicts between our religious scriptures and modern science. For more information, please read his books: http://store.krishna.com/Search.bok?custom1=sadaputa <<
BIF: If in fact there were no conflicts between our religious scriptures and modern science then why not explain it yourself? Why refer to Sadaputa (late) or anyone else. Anyone who isn't cult zapped can see that Sadaputa ..our foremost devotee scientist ... tip-toes through the minefield of explosive contradictions laid down by his guru, acBSp. He is careful to select areas of controversy which can be defused and sold at Bizarre Bazaar. Even so, it requires a flood of oxytocin hormones to swallow his explications. Sadaputa follows the fairy dust diktat:- "Srimad Bhagavatam is the authoritative text which tells us about cosmology, and information gathered from any source should be in accordance to it." The result is that he remains forever chasing ambulances: attempting to keep Rahu's head buoyant with hot-air interpretations; perpetually seeking that inconceivable oneness in difference (acintyabhedabheda) to help float Sri-mad outré with scientific fact.
>>mahasana dasa says: 8. March 2013 at 4:21 pm
That’s right, there is no contradiction. As a matter of fact, the Hubble telescope recently spotted a giant interplanetary eagle attacking the Rahu head. Luckily for Rahu, Narada Muni was flying by (he has great timing) and he bonked the eagle on the head with his vina. WHAT A SCENE! It was more exciting than Hiranyaksa knocking the club out of Lord Boar’s hoof! <<
>>mark says: 8. March 2013 at 7:49 pm
One never knows at which point the Supreme Lord has inserted some false material calculation into His Scriptures while proclaiming it to be true. Just to weed out the weak hearted baboons who don’t want to be part of His Bhakti Cult. Hey, some people would rather become “astronuts” to be liberated from their miserable material fantasies. Free will is King. Have at it you nutty baboons.<<
BIF: While over-using capitals to over-emphasize his sect subjugation, mark inadvertently tells us his god does not reside within the heart or possess abilities attributed to him so he forswears himself only to prove those with intelligence are baboons. A sort of “Blessed are the stupid for they can read between the lines.” Mark’s abuse is common tu quoque fallacy. Literally translating as ‘you too’ this fallacy is employed as an effective red herring : taking heat off the accused having to defend and shifting focus back onto the critic. It is a time worn duct: introducing abuse to deflect confrontation of core issues, thereby decanting debate to a commode.
>>Pratyatosa Dasa (ACBSP) says: 11. March 2013 at 5.42 pm
This is yet another example of the rascal so-called scientist's trying to ram an unproven theory down our collective throats by repeating it over and over again as an established fact, similar to what they are trying to do with their preposterous evolution theory!<<
BIF: Mr. Dasa' (they are all called Dasa like all monkeys are called primates,) enclave education may find the rascal so-called scientist's preposterous evolution theory... unproven, ergo unquantifiable, but just quickly, may we draw attention to the iskcon cult's 'Creationist Theory,' if only to evaluate it in terms of, not academic intellectualism, but perspicacity. It would be preposterous indeed if Mr. Dasa' statement - there are no conflicts between our religious scriptures and modern science - could find any scientific harmony with cult beliefs below:
(1) A four-headed man (Brahma) created the contents of our universe while seated on the stigma of a cosmic-sized lotus flower that grows from a lake of sweat in the navel of an even larger cosmic-sized being. (2) An enormous egg came into existence with the permutation and combination of five basic elements. Brahma was born inside this egg. Brahma lived inside the egg. He then split the egg into two and created heaven and earth from the two parts of the egg (Brahma Purana). (3) Invisible oceans of a.o. liquor, milk, sugar cane juice, and yoghurt, all many times larger than this planet and part of a simplistic flat-Earth cosmology. (4) Trees hundreds of miles high, some with fruits that create rivers of juice when falling to the ground. (5) The existence of a vastly superior global civilization, complete with airplanes and nuclear weapons, before 3,000 B.C.E. (going back millions of years cyclically) with people of increasing size and life span, the emperors of which ruled the entire Earth. (6) Progenetors, unbelievable and unheard of outside cult doctrine, who birthed thousands of progeny: snakes, trees, aquatics, amphibians, arachnids and birdlife. (7) The moon is further away from Earth than the sun (which is the ONLY source of light in the universe,) and the sun (which sits on a chariot driven by the morning star- Aruna) is hauled across the welkin by 60'000 sages (Valikhilyas) who are no bigger than a thumb.....and there is much, much more.
Where can we find science, in any of its fields, corroborating the madness above? Truth is, science does not differ with the Vedas. However, even though iskcon claims to be Vedic, their doctrine is nothing more than Yankee-doodle-noodles peppered with unchallenged Vedic substantiations. It is why iskcon is referred to as a cult.... a backwater flow-off mainstream.