>>PADA (aka. Tim Lee): Yes, Srila Prabhupada says that "Jesus is my brother" "Jesus is our guru" ...."Jesus is still accepting the sins even today" "Jesus is shaktyavesha" and so many similar things.... Actually the Christians are the largest religion because everyone unites to promote their acharya.... We should learn from them and humbly be trying to do that too. ...THANK YOU JESUS..... we must offer our respectful obesiances to our inaugural guru, Lord Jesus......without the teachings of Jesus there would be no culture here in the West.....Srila Prabhupada himself says that Jesus is our guru.....Because of Jesus we have had a unique view..... the guru is like Jesus.... Since we are anchored in the idea that the guru is like Jesus,.....that the guru is like Jesus, a de facto servant of Radha,....So Jesus has helped save us.... thanks to the teachings we already had from Jesus....should be worshipped on a vyasasana like Jesus.....told Ramesvara to put his Jesus-like worship seat back..... Tamal, and Hansadutta worship as Jesus-like gurus...Jesus has to be suspended.....made any sense to us due to the mercy of Jesus....I know that Jesus is not a crook......as a guru who is worshipped like Jesus, or more than Jesus.....and this is what Jesus is attracted to?....Thank you Jesus!....any town where Jesus is the guru knows better than this.... vote in the next Jesus?....Oh swell, you are Jesus, but if you refuse to be voted by us, as Jesus.... but thanks to Jesus, this never made any sense to us....thanks to Jesus, no one could tell us... Nah, and thanks to Jesus we knew this when we were five years old....must be worshipped like Jesus....people like Jesus never do this, therefore he is not like Jesus..... Well, thanks to Jesus we never make this mistake....is what servants of Radha and/or Jesus would do.... sit in the vyasasana seat and be worshipped like Jesus...Nah, and thanks to Jesus we knew this was wrong......Yep he is a guru, he is like Jesus to these idiots....Dear Lord Jesus, thanks so much for saving me....Thank you Jesus.....able to absorb sins, like Jesus,.... Prabhupada taught exactly what Jesus taught,...Srila Prabhupada confirmed what Jesus taught.... Thank you Jesus, and thanks for sending us Srila Prabhupada...ISKCON should be the same as the Christian conception of Christ - which is that he should be the one and only Diksa Guru. Jai!,,,,PADA: And people complain, well PADA always talks about Jesus, well it seems that our talking has been spreading around to the ISKCON leaders! ys pd]....Srila Prabhupada says that Jesus is still absorbing the sins of his followers today,..who are thus like Jesus....who is like Jesus..they are not on that level...they are merely meant to offer baptism on behalf...act like another Jesus or acharya?.... Therefore the Christian priest (ritvik) or ISKCON preacher... just like only Jesus has the potency to do...where is the order for us neophytes to act like Jesus and absorb sins...saying we are bogus to promote Jesus...Jesus is our saviour...you hate Jesus...you hate Christians...your Jesus hating citations.
Tim Lee's profile reads- Angel. My question is WHEN?
Even though I never once mentioned Jesus or Christians in any mail to this born again Christian foodstamp, look at what he writes to me:-
>>ok good, we will get your local churches to pray for you<<
In your last mail ( look a few paragraphs back,) you accused me of saying - you are bogus for promoting Jesus and threatened me by displaying my home address implying you would send it to local churches, Christian radio talk shows, and Christian web forums. Now, in a mail sent only a few minutes later, you say you will get my local churches to pray for me. Would they need my address to do that? So either I have committed some grievous heresy that needs your redneck brand of Christianity, or you have serious mental blockages and a bi-polar disorder. What is it Mr. Lee? Is it drugs?
>>Thanks for these quotes where you say you hate the Christians, keep em coming, I will quote you and I already have a few. We need more of your Jesus hating citations, please send a few more for my records. ys pd<<
Again, look at your statement above. You have written- where we could say you folks have said- What it clearly tells the reader is that you have the immorality to say folks have said what folks did not say or you would have positively stated- what you folks have said. Are you with me, or off with the pixies again? Anyway, who is the "we" you represent? And who are the "folks" you say said these things? How did we say it? Was it all of us together on email, or were we in Roman costume at Calvary? Are you using hallucinogens, Mr. Lee? Haunted?
>>Right so you admit you hate Jesus and only I am on to that, well thats great!<<
Bobo, Bobo, Bobo. You are running off with a dry bone. Look up at the top of this post. You first said you could say that folks had said. Now you are saying I admit to hating Jesus. Where did this Jesus nonsense come from. I am a Hindu. To me Jesus is a Latino guy who sells dope. I don't hate Jesus or love Jesus. If I smoked dope like you I would be obsessed with Jesus too. But I don't and I'm not. Your drug bombed brain first fabricates a lie and a few sentences later accepts it as truth....that means MAD. That means criminal MAD. That means actionable MAD. When the Berkeley Police see the mail exchange on your server and mine, they are going to know it.
The reason this world remains safe from sexists pigs, racists bigots and lunatics, is exactly that....reason. They don't have it. A quick check through your server Mr. Petty Thief, will show you are a liar and a cheat....a pin-up-boy for deceit/deception, using the Christian bully card to intimidate.
Here is Bobo's next letter which was sent to me by a BIF contact. Note how he again barks up a frenzy in hopes that cult fanatics, who have been instructed by their guru Prabhupada to - "cut out the tongue of the villifier and kill him"- may try it with me.
>>Dear Prabhus (dear masters), I decided to take down all the BIF (that's me) materials because its just giving him free advertising.<<
No! That was not the reason. You took it down because I informed you, you would be prosecuted for racial abuse. Here it is- >>Your racism is already on file.16HRS. AND TWENTY -TWO MINUTES, (before we act.)<<
>>His site is not well known, in fact most people tell me they only know about him through us.<<
"Most people tell me?" Bobo, you only have one person who ever comments on your blog. He calls himself "rm." When I recently told you that Mr. rm, had no profile information, and his phraseology and composition was exactly like yours, i.e., you were rm, the very next comment made by Mr. rm, was an attempt to prove he was not you: the English was purposely broken to move away from your already bad diction. This is petty pretention from a petty crim.
>>Also, a friend of Shaksi said if I took all this down he would try to pacify Saksi and try to get him off his tearing up on Prabhupada, lets see.<<
What the friend said to you was that Sakshi (get the spelling right , Bobo) was not tearing up Prabhupada. Sakshi was writing what Prabhupada had written/said, and Sakshi had referenced it. Nor did the friend say he would pacify Sakshi. In fact he is a Hindu, and just like every Hindu who confronts your driveling saliva, was deeply hurt. What he said was "You will be prosecuted." And you whimpered- "But I have taken the postings down."
>>No I am not working with BIF. Also BIF is apparently trying to get Krishna devotees physically assaulted by having them branded as dangerous criminals, racists, rapists etc., so I really cannot have any connection to his enterprises at the moment, he has become too dangerous for the devotees because he clearly wants to see the devotees beaten, assaulted and worse.<<
Didn't your guru say- If Krishna wants to kill you no one can save you, and if Krishna wants to save you no one can kill you? So either your guru is talking bullcrap...or you are. Which one is it, Bobo?
If BIF can have Krishna devotees physically assaulted, why hang out with Krishna, pay your taxes to BIF. Give Krishna up and stop using His name to rob Indians. Go back to Jesus and take your fundamentalist friends with you. You have been bashing Hindus, Hindustan: its way of life and Government by producing posts from cyber circulars.... and even posting reports from Al Jazeera. Your cult mob have been raping, pillaging, looting and abusing. Now you want to put the blame on BIF, you rat.
You are obsessed with Hindu bashing. When I pointed this out to you in recent mail you read it as a threat to your madness- "I am not worried, you are not going to stop me by threats, the GBC has done that for 35 years, it does not work on me and never will." What you don't realize is that the world is a whole lot bigger than your piddling GBC. Constant reports are being fed to world authorities about your Iskcon cult. If there is any danger, it is being caused by criminals like you. BIF never had the power. If we did you guys would be a distant memory, already. But it is happening even if the window in your dog-box is too small to see it.
So after giving out my family's home address, Tim Lee starts lying to excite cult fundamentalists into action. Listen to this-
>>He is trying to incite a violent riot against Krishna's devotees in India. Perhaps someone in Australia could do some legal work against his site for this reason?<<
If the Indian Government (like the Russian and Hungarian Governments) decide that Iskcon is a bogus criminal outfit, they don't need BIF (who?) to make that decision. And no one can do squat about the BIF web site. Get over it, already. We will take the site down soon enough, but not before the job is done.
As for inciting a violent riot in India....We investigated you because of your racial stand against Hindus. What we intercepted was mail from you to a fellow named "Corrie Cananza." Remember him Bobo? You were instructing him to go to my homeland, Bengal, and incite a riot there between Hindus and Muslims. Remember this, Bobo? When he flunked out, you wanted him arrested. I have it all on file right here before me. Even witnesses are available. Now you are attempting to identify me with your terrorist tactics. BIF has waited with its ear to the ground, hoping someone would finance you a journey to India. We were even considering indirectly offering and paying for a trip ourselves, so you could answer charges on this matter. But our team declined. No one would spend a cent on your sorry ass.
>>He has wrote to me (sic) letters basically saying I need to be attacked myself, his letters indicate he wants to see me basically exterminated, he wants our blood right now.<<
Keep the letters Bobo, you will need to show it to the police. Basically, if someone wants to exterminate you and writes directly to you about it, why would he bother to indicate? Surely his intentions would be loud and clear if ...'he wants our blood right now!!!" And why didn't you take the letter to police? Or do the Berkeley Police already know you are a lying parasitic scavenger who cheats invalid women, commits security fraud, smokes dope and howls- "Jesus is coming?" No, Bobo, I don't write letters like that. I'm too legally aware to be a Bobo. What you are doing here is inciting cult violence, as instructed by your guru Prabhupada who you say is like Jesus...the guru is like Jesus....Srila Prabhupada confirmed what Jesus taught. Maybe I should send a few quotes from Prabhupada (and you) to your Christian fellowship so they know what you are saying about Jesus....Eh?
>>Frankly it seems, he would kill Prabhupada himself if he had the chance. He wants our blood.<<
Prabhupada is dead, killed by your American confedracy....allegedly. But if his clones or anyone threatens my family I will act in a flash. Tell your assassins that. If they come anywhere near my property, they should be carrying a white sheet on the end of a twenty-foot pole so I can see it clearly. Otherwise...Bang! and the next thing you know it's a pig's life. No one in my family will die at the hands of cult fanatics.
>> I cannot risk having even one devotee beaten up because of my advertising him. He wants to see Krishna's devotees blood flowing, period.<<
You are stabbing your Hare Krishna devotees in the back with your stupid racist writings, and then pretend to be Jesus in the trailer park?
Why have you researched and posted my home address, and now write absolute lies to loops of hidden cultists? Why are you falsifying statements and then threatening me with your Christian KKK contacts? You are demonstrating why you feel others must be killed to preserve your cult madness. HERE is your guru (Prabhupada) telling you to do it. It is why you guys have to go, and governments around the world are coming to that conclusion.
>>At the sametime, his writing is so much 1890s old school Britain, most people cannot even understand what he is saying at all, it takes me 20 minutes to wade through one paragraph, most people write to me....<<
It is what I meant when saying you learnt your English off pizza delivery orders. To most Indians who use a minimum of three languages, folks like you are unbelievably lazy, unkempt and uncivilized. And again you are coming with this most people write to me. Okay here it is, get it through your thick head...we know no one writes to you because we ran your blog through a service scanner, it recorded a zero- a zero and- a zero. I'll say it again- NO ONE WRITES TO YOU, except 'rm' who IS you. You are not just a liar but a stupid one.
>>....complaining they need a dictionary to read anything he says, they have no idea what he is saying,....<<
That's you Lee. An uneducated, doped-up primary school dropout. You claim above that most people cannot understand, but, as explained, no one writes to you. So most people is really your own MPD. Now that's a shame because you have made claim that the Supreme Court of India reads your "documents." But we can assure you 100% that when Indian authorities looked at your blog recently they came to the same opinion as BIF...you are nuts. It is why you have remained safe from prosecution, and why BIF is still being advised to allow you to die slowly, in the cesspit of your own existence. Nonetheless some retribution (big word, Bobo?) will help you on your way.
>>certainly his new audience of Bengalis will not be able to decipher what he says, so if we help him by translating his stuff, it only helps him and no one else.<<
Bengalis approach education differently to trailer trash. You will certainly have difficulty with my English because your forefathers based their ancestral English on only six words- Please Sir, can you help me? You and your buddies are still doing it with our Hindu people. That is going to stop soon enough when they 'decipher' the truth.
>>in short, there does not seem to be any other good plan to deal with this other than to avoid him and not advertise him for free. If any of you can try to talk to him, his former friends, that would be maybe the best hope we have at this time.
Nope. You don't have a hope in hell. The BIF investigation is now complete. It's all over bar the shouting. We made no friends in the cult (okay a few casuals), only acquaintances who were used to build our case files. Your institution is not going to rob Indians, abuse them, steal lands, rape kids, break up families, entrap and enslave juveniles forcing them to discard their studies, have no respect for our laws. We don't make friends with cancer. We get rid of it.
>>He has gone totally mad. Anyway this reminds me of Kurukshetra, the friends became enemies, its what happens in this world. ys pd<<
No, I am not mad, and I was never your friend. You cannot even spell my name. But you have exposed my family in your desperation to bring me down, so now you have an enemy.
NOPE. As expected, nothing showed up from this Bobo.
Finally when I threatened Bobo with legal action, this hyena dog who has been attacking people for years, fought back for a little then turned and ran. Here is the flurry of mail from him-
>>I am not worried Saksi, you are not going to stop me by threats, the GBC has done that for 35 years, it does not work on me and never will. The police have all kinds of threats I get on a regular basis, yours is just another one on the heap. ys pd<<
>>ok good, we will get your local churches to pray for you<<
>>Thanks for these quotes where you say you hate the Christians, keep em coming, I will quote you and I already have a few. We need more of your Jesus hating citations, please send a few more for my records. ys pd <<
>>Right so you admit you hate Jesus and only I am on to that, well thats great! Do not write to this address again or I will report you as harrassing and threatening e-mails. I do not have time for this, you write about me and I'll write about you, simple. ys pd<<
Then, the racist, sexist bully wrote to my server. In his mail above he says- his letters indicate he wants to see me basically exterminated- but then he writes to my server and complains about - internet harassment writing. So why did he complain about harassment and not about threats of "extermination"? Simple...he's lying. And when we went through the mail with our server, he knew it too. Below is our server's letter to us, and Bobo's note to them.
Dear TPG Customer,
Below is an email that TPG has received complaining about certain conduct. The IP Address and timestamps provided by the complainant indicate that the conduct occurred over your TPG Service.
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Do not write me anything ever again or I will report you to the Australian police for internet harassment writing. I am not opening anything of yours ever again, cease and desist or I will report you. ys pd> >
Thanks very much for your attention. Tim Lee
Boo hoo hoo. Then the racist bully tucked his tail between his legs and bolted. But here we are, again.
Now Bobo. I have some time on my hands so let's dance. If in fact I have written you 'indicating your extermination' or/and 'wanting blood right now' or 'wanting the blood of devotees by having them beat up' or having abused Jesus/Christianity etc., etc., then you have no worries. It will all be there with your yahoo server so police can read it, just as they will find my mail to you. But if there is no such mail and in fact you are fabricating lies to intimidate and incite violence my family will seek punitive damages for the anxiety you have caused us.
In the letter to your Yahoo server and your local police precinct will contain what you have claimed (with dated, original copies of what you have written.) We will show how you researched and posted our family address with intent to intimidate, causing great concern for my family, and your lies to cult members. Also I will send police private mail between you and Mr. Cananza, just to demonstrate the kind of man you are. We will then seek help from your police department on how we can lay charges. Stand by.
Below you will note acronyms of African American organizations to which we are sending racist and derogatory statements that you and your institution have been propagating for forty years without any apology or removal (we will also copy your local police). These statements being made have nothing to do with the original Vedas. They were taken from false scriptures that have long been denounced by Hindu parivas as inauthentic . We have explained that somewhat in our article - Orthopraxy over Orthodoxy.
Since you live in LA, and have your feet planted in both the Christian and "Prabhupadanuga" cult worlds, You can explain to them why you- a Prabhupadanuga, have maintained and persisted with these racist statements in the literature and audio that you guys keep handing out. They may ask for an apology or choose to sue for punitive damages. Whatever, I am sure you can explain matters to them. After that dispatch we will also contact IRAAM, BIG, BCC, CA, CBCF, and NABJ. We will make sure to send them your PADA- Prabhupada Anti Defamation Army crap and current blog address, so they know it's you they want to talk to.
Attention NAACPLA, IRAAM, BIG, BCC, CA, CBCF, NABJ.
Ref. VedaBase => Room Conversation Varnasrama System Must Be Introduced -- February 14, 1977, Mayapura
Prabhupada believed that the African races should be enslaved by the Aryans; if they were free to come and go as they please, they would only cause disturbance in society. In February 1977, less than a year before his departure from this world, Prabhupada expressed regret about the fact that America had abolished slavery. In a room conversation, which later received the title ?Varnasram System Must Be Introduced,? he referred to African Americans as follows:
PrabhuPADA: Sudra is to be controlled only. They are never given to be freedom (sic). Just like in America. The blacks were slaves. They were under control. And since you have given them equal rights they are disturbing, most disturbing, always creating a fearful situation, uncultured and drunkards. What training they have got? They have got equal right? That is best, to keep them under control as slaves but give them sufficient food, sufficient cloth, not more than that. Then they will be satisfied.
-It may be concluded that white or a golden hue is the color of the higher caste, and black is the complexion of the sudras [lower class].
(SB 4.14.45, purport)
-(The dark-skinned races) are not allowed to live in cities and towns because they are sinful by nature. As such, their bodies are very ugly, and their occupations are also sinful.
-They are always engaged in sinful activities like stealing
(SB 4.14.46, purport)
-the higher classes of men are white (sukla), and the lower classes of men are black. This division of white and black is in terms of ones white and black duties of life. Pious acts lead one to& acquire beautiful features. Impious acts lead one to acquire ugly bodily features.
(SB 3.5.9, purport)
-Yes. We hate to mix with you. No gentleman tries to mix with loafers. Even in America, they dont like to live with the blacks. Crows will not like to live with the ducks and white swans. And white swans will not like to live with the crows. That is natural division. Birds of the same feather flock together.
Room Conversation ? October 5, 1975, Mauritius
Prabhupada: This is Vedic civilization: plain living, high thinking. And poor thinking, poor in thought, poor in behavior, and living with motorcar and this, that, nonsense. It is all nonsense civilization. A first-class Rolls Royce car, and who is sitting there? A third-class negro. This is going on. You?ll find these things in Europe and America. This is going on. A first-class car and a third-class negro. That's all. Is it not?Room Conversation ? January 21, 1977, Bhuvanesvara
Ramesvara: Thats the trend, then, everywhere, because unemployment is increasing.
Prabhupada: And especially in your country it will be dangerous because these blacks, if they dont get employment, they will create havoc, these blacks. And they are not civilized. They want money, and if they dont get money, then they will create havoc.
Gargamuni: Money and liquor.
Hari-sauri: Yes. If they do get money, they just buy it.
Lecture on SB 1.16.4 ? Los Angeles, January 1, 1974
Prabhupada: So here, this man was cheating. Because here it is said: nrpa-linga-dharam. He was dressed like a king. Just like king is very gorgeously dressed. But his bodily feature, he was a black man. The black man means sudra. (Sudra means low-class)
Room Conversation ? August 2, 1976, New Mayapur, French farm
Prabhupada: Dravidian culture. Dravida. They are non-Aryans. Just like these Africans, they are not Aryans. Now they are mixing up with Europeans and Americans. In India, it was, one from the higher section, brahmana, ksatriya, vaisya, they will be fair complexion. Sudras, black. So if a brahmana becomes black, then he's not accepted as brahmana. Kala bahu (?). And if a sudra becomes fair, then he's to be know (sic) that he's not pure sudra.
Ref. VedaBase => Morning Walk -- July 9, 1975, Chicago:
A thief shall be called thief. That is natural. If you call a Negro, "You black," he will be angry. But he is black.
Conversation on Train to Allahabad ? January 11, 1977, India
Prabhupada: Yes. Aristocratic will never live? Even in America, they don?t like to live with the blacks.
Talk Before Class, November 29, 1968, Los Angeles
I think in our apartment also somebody must remain. Here this is... In New York also I lost my typewriter, tape recorder. In 72nd St. at daytime, at nine o'clock. I went to take my meals in Dr. Misra's place at about nine, and when I came back I saw the door is broken. That superintendent, he was a Negro. He has done, I know that. This is very common case here.
Sannyasa Initiation, Bombay, November 18, 1975
You have got good opportunity. You are going to Africa to deliver these persons. Sukadeva Gosvami says, kirata-hunandhra-pulinda-pulkasa abhira-sumbha yavanah khasadayah, ye 'nye ca papa [SB 2.4.18]. These groups of men are considered very fallen, kirata, the black men. They are called nisada. Nisada was born of Vena, King Vena. So they are habituated to steal; therefore they have been given a separate place, African jungles. That is there in the Bhagavatam. So, but everyone can be delivered. Kirata-hunandhra-pulinda-pulkasa abhira-sumbha yavanah khasadayah ye 'nye ca papa. These are known (as) sinful life.