13th Jun. 2014

RAHU and the REVERTS

1. Snob value is a perpetual illusion in hare krishna neurosis. To fly separatist ideologies cultists cachet pages of reality-neutering diatribe to channel Bhagavad Gita (Bg) ghosts i.e., miscreants, fools, untouchables, idiots, atheists, materialists, impersonalists, omnivores : demons who will not surrender to the teachings of the cult founder, A.C. De (aka. Prabhupada) or his alter ego ... blue-god krishna. Confounding when considered krishna is touted as father of all living entities- bija-pradah pita (Bg, 14-4.) Nonetheless in-house scribes lube the ethnocentric component- "god's chosen vs. the enemy" - to herd low-born believers (papi tapi jatis) and corral them in paddocks of surrender and conformity. The flipside is, as with all who see ghosts in the shadows,
pontificators and practitioners develop dysfunctioning eugenic lifestyles rooted in a grab list of psychiatric / cachexic disorders.

2. As long as cult slaves maintain submission as per requisite, ghosts evoked by gospel are revoked by the same. But in any dash for freedom, or when runaways find themselves back in a world of reality, cult demagogue will isolate and damnify its disconnects. Even where suicides confirm the truth of what is being said here, and where dissidents can be located between medical cannabis, psychotherapy and mental welfare, no investigation is underway to arrest cause and effect : investigations that could reveal neurotic disorders covering a larger percentage of the 374 listed in the World Psychiatric Association's- Diagnostic & Statistical Manual.

3. Even hare krishna, iskcon gurus ... intellect destroyed by ethnocentricism, tin-pot dictatorships, and cult inbreeding, have fallen dependant on pharmacopsychiatry antipsychotics. Alarmingly, gurus like His Unholy Madness, Satasvarup Dasa Goswami Maharaja et al, were appointed by a man, De who claimed that god visited him daily to dictate cult gospel and complain that fried chips offered to him were too salty. The "De psychosis" appears to have infected inbred iskcon and is only now, after fifty years of SriMad methinks, being internally debated as trial and crazy : Iskcon on trial for De's crazy.

4. One of the more popular snob-value ethnocentricisms appearing regularly in the cult's defrag zone is- Prabhupadism vs. Hindu demigod worship. This is done without any reservation or beg-your-pardons. It is THE sledgehammer in the conversion crusader's toolbox. Factions and splinters of the Iskcon cult have decided that Hindus are contaminating cult Prabhupadism. Interestingly Hindus were bilked by all until the cult splintered and left rebels without temples to lure and fleece Indians. While Iskcon centers continue ...business as usual... picking Hindu pockets. So now the outcasts (untouchables?) are swinging the Hindu / mayavadi / demigod-worship hammer to ridicule their Iskcon Governing Body Commission (GBC) bosses. Here are two typical examples:


1.) "They (GBC) collect HINDUS as disciples because they can USE them to GATHER money from influential Hindus—and that’s HOW they live off the Hindus instead of Srila Prabhupada’s Original books. And those Hindu “disciples” they are soooo totally dumb and stupid SENTEMENTALISTS they have no brains for understanding Srila Prabhupada’s books that Diksa guru is Srila Prabhupada and that they are being USED as SLAVES. Westerners do not easily fall for this. Look at UK America etc evidence speaks for itself."

5. Americans do not buy cult books because they can pick them out the trash for free. Indians give donation for a book, wrap it in cloth and put it someplace rats and cockroaches can't shit on it... but they don't read it. The books ... shiny covers and kitsch art... no longer attract the curious. Nearly everyone has wised up to the hocus-pocus street pushed by wound-up zombies. "Book sales" is now dependant totally on a cult beggar's ability to solicit alms.

2.) "What more proof can I or other prabhus give to prove that ISKCON was NEVER meant to be promoted as solely focused on Indians in America, Canada or England, etc. Hinduized programs have dramatically changed the dynamics and mood of Srila Prabhupada's Temples, and this is a serious deviation."

Source:
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/05-14/editorials11720.htm

6. "De- Hinduize Iskcon" has been the rebel catch cry for a number of years. Voices are rising higher, but only among the rabble. Cult bosses, the GBC, know that Prabhupadaism does not mull in its mixture of plagiarism and craptrap. It needs to be "Hindu" to garner support, government recognition, and to maintain cash flow. To achieve those goals, initial concepts mouthed by the founder- Prabhupada* have become secondary to survival ... accumulation and expansion.

* Prabhupada: "There is a misconception that the Krishna conscious movement represents the Hindu religion. Sometimes Indians both inside and outside of India think that we are preaching the Hindu religion, but actually we are not.....[...]....The Krishna consciousness movement has nothing to do with the Hindu religion or any system of religion...One should clearly understand the Krishna consciousness movement is not preaching the so-called Hindu religion." (Science of Self Realization.)

6. Hijacking a god, even from a multi-million demigod lineup, then transporting that mammetry to foreign lands embalmed in cult-lingual verbiage ONLY to claim proprietary, will have counteraction. And that is exactly what confronts Iskcon today. From north to south and every iskcon temple in the middle, Hindus who donated in belief that Iskcon krishna was none other than their own puranic Hindu idol, are introducing puranic Hindu rituals based on accepted rites and in belief they contribute to an organization (Iskcon) of foreigners who converted to Hinduism.

7. Immersed in godman (guru... prabhupadism) worship, the iskcon cultists have lost the plot. Somewhere in his equal-to-god mindset the iskcon founder, De was lost between dictatorship and demoncrazy. In his world of cult, everyone paid and obeyed. In the real world members pay and say. De's claim that democracy was demoncrazy doesn't change anything. Hindu members in Iskcon temples are moving in and taking over as any businessman (and certainly any Indian) is apt to do. The result is becoming self-evident, as explained by the editor of a popular cult cyber daily. BIF's comments added:

NB: When referring to "Hindus" in the text below, we identify them as SriMAD Bhagavatam Purana believers, as opposed to Vedic Hindus.

Source: http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/05-14/editorials11713.htm

Hare Krishna Hindus

>>May 18, 2014 — CANADA (SUN) — We have appreciated the recent articles on the Hinduization of ISKCON and its perennial chasing of the Hindu dollar, but I would like to comment on one more aspect of the problem that has not yet been emphasized.<<

BIF: It is time to face the question- "If not the Hindu dollar (mainstream business and political) then what dollar?" When we look at the iskcon congregation we see only Indian bodies swallowed by caucasian Rahu heads. Who, other than Hindus, will support this cult that has not come forward yet?

>>In years past in my preaching, I've encountered many Hindus who have become Hare Krishnas, in every sense of the word. It's not that people of Indian birth who happen to be Hindus can't become completely converted over to becoming Hare Krishnas, obviously -- just count the many Indian Sannyasis and Gurus, leaders and followers there are in ISKCON who were previously Hindus.<<

BIF: The reason we are on this page is not because of Hare Krishna conversion successes, obviously, but because of "converts" reverting to Hindu practices that pre-date iskcon. Just because a few Hindu opportunist decided the easy American dollar was greener than Ramachandra does not constitute the cult's successful takeover of puranic Hinduism : a business initiated, propagated and protected by sectarian Hindus for centuries against hostile odds. Yes cult converted Hindus are returning to what they were raised to practice and believe, and this is evidenced in an editorial * by the very same writer of the article under analysis:

* 28th May 2014
Source: http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/05-14/editorials11742.htm

>>But today we find that non-Indians, who were born in the Western countries and who became Hare Krishnas, now want to convert over to becoming Hindus. And they are the ones who are not preaching to the Hindus to make them to Hare Krishnas. Instead, these Westerners joined a Hindu community, and are now catering to all sorts of Hindu nonsense that they know is nonsense, because they've done enough reading from Srila Prabhupada's books to know it. Their inclinations can only come from their own desires to become Hindus.<<

BIF: Iskcon conversions were never based in philosophical supremacy as claimed, but in misrepresentation and confusion. If philosophy was iskcon's key to conversion the cult would be dead in the water. De, iskcon's founder, was a despot and closet lunatic. His craziness, ambiguity and ambivalence, can be found just about anywhere on this site. Cult conversion successes, however that totals, was because Indians brain to achieve academically, but accept with blind faith and sentiment all things god. Yet faith, as described by Twain is believing in something you know ain't so. Faith built on sanguine sands of sentiment can shift at anytime ... and therein LIES the misrepresentation and confusion which returns to bite iskcon on the butt :-


"So why does the general Hindu community mistakenly believe that ISKCON is a Hindu organization, when it never describes itself as such? Well, it sometimes does. During the recent ISKCON temple openings in New Delhi and Bangalore, where newspaper reports frequently identified the grand temples as Hindu, the ISKCON press releases, such as that of April 15, 1998, never used the H word. Yet, when Indian devotees serving at each of those temples were asked in late July by journalists for this article, they said it is a Hindu temple. The discrepancy between public perception and internal policy is further confused by the group's official exceptions to the non-Hindu position. Faced with difficulties, ISKCON leaders have appealed to the Hindu community to back them up, as in a dispute over the Bhaktivedanta Manor in the UK or when being hassled by Christians in Russia and Poland. In appeals to judges and governments, the word Hindu is openly used. In other legal cases, including one to the US Supreme Court, ISKCON has attempted to counteract the "cult" label by claiming to be a traditional Hindu lineage, and asked other Hindus to affirm this in the courts......
...[...]...
What also sets ISKCON apart is its open repudiation and criticism of Hinduism, especially among members. There are reports of Hindus who joined ISKCON only to be taught to reject their family's religion. "Previously we were Hindus. Now we are Hare Krishnas," some said. At the same time, the organization often appeals to the Hindu community and businessmen for financial support of its social programs and political help to protect ISKCON from detractors....."

>>Of course, Indians/Hindus are known throughout the world, and especially in the West, for being successful Westerners. They get university degrees and make lots of money. And because of their pious birth it's easy for them to become accomplished in the Western world and accumulate a lot of material gain. Materialistic Hare Krishnas will look upon these successful materialistic Hindus with an obvious degree of envy. They want to have the money that these Hindus have. They want to have the nice family unit the Hindus have -- a close community that is very conducive for getting material gain. So these materialistic Westerners just take advantage of a Hindu community: ISKCON.<<

BIF: Successful Westerners ... Indians!? Hindus!? What is he talking about? Indians abroad are Overseas Citizens of India (OCI) or Non Resident Indians (NRI.) Indians who accept the citizenship of foreign countries are nationals of that country, unless targeted by goons and / or white supremacist bigots. Is the editor of this popular cult daily a racist, or just another zapped zealot? Let us delve further into his statement to find answers.

The editor claims pious birth as reason for Indians being accomplished in the West and accumulating material wealth. Yet somehow the piety of Indian birth excludes an understanding of god vis-a-vis iskcon Westerners who were unpiously born in a shithole of familial iniquity and communal dog-eat-dog. NO! That is not what this writer is saying, it is what the editor of the (10'000 hits a day) Sampradaya Sun is saying. He concludes that iskcon cultists see educational accomplishments, material success, family unity and communal stability, as enviable. But isn't that what all living entities have, or strive for? What the Sun editor implies is that the missing factor among pious Indians is god realization ... a soul liberating component held copyright by iskcon Westerners? And what is the editor's alternative to point-for-point success: a) University degrees : stay uneducated because De said universities are hell. b) Don't make lots of money ... stay poor ; stay exploited and cadge so iskcon survives. c) Don't have a nice family ... be sexploited by iskcon ethnocentricity. d) Don't be part of any community outside cult confines, simply inbreed, chant cacodoxy and be happy.
It is not that materialistic Westerners just take advantage of a Hindu community (the editor has already admitted the West facilitates Indian communities,) it is iskcon taking advantage of Hindus. That action has initiated its counteraction. Period.

>>Sadly, many Hindus are coming to ISKCON temples to become Hare Krishnas, but they're not being preached to by real Vaisnavas, so they revert to being Hindus again. Meanwhile, many so-called Hare Krishna Vaisnavas are also becoming Hindus.<<

BIF: NOT AT ALL! Puranic Hindus visit all temples in understanding that god exists within, in one aspect or another. They are NOT visiting with intent to be CONVERTED. Such total disrespect has its roots in iskcon Judeo-Christian western cultism. To suggest reason for reversion from conversion as not being preached to by real Vaisnavas, is another cult exposed cecity. What is, and where in iskcon can we find a ... real Vaisnava? The founder, De distanced his cult (iskcon) from Hinduism. Since that distancing, ALL Vaisnav groups have distanced themselves from iskcon. In its initial sojourn into the Indian god market, iskcon razzle-dazzled with a Hollywood style presentation. That razzmatazz was a caducity ... bound to fade like an old movie, even a blockbuster. Now the reversion has begun, and with it goes Westerners who understand that krishna was, and always will be, a puranic Hindu god.

>It may be a fact that some of these Hindus, if you preach to them in the way that Srila Prabhupada preached to them, would decide not to support the Hare Krishna temples at all, or would not become disciples of some of those posing as Gurus in ISKCON. But that's a risk that must be taken.<<

BIF: Not Bhaktivinode, nor Bhaktisiddhanta, nor Bhaktivedanta (De- Prabhupada) could convert Indians to cult belief and even when Bhaktisiddhanta forged a list of 'acaryas' going all the way back to blue-god krishna. That is the reason De disliked Hindus and used accismus to protect his absolutism in America. This is a huge failure when considering Indians would never challenge why giant eagles (laying eggs as they fly between planets) have never been spotted by space missions, satellites, or egg collectors. Nor would they challenge why Ramananda Raya (in the cult's donation collecting- Caitanya-Caritamrita series *) bathed beautiful young girls ... "touching them and washing them with his own hands," ... where concerned parties would question why a pervert / pedophile was involved when the girls (dancers!!) were capable of touching and bathing themselves, with their own hands. The point being made is that although puranic Hindus are open to weird and wonderful spiritual fables, the iskcon Gaudiya Matha failed, even with lying and cheating, to convert the Hindu populace. It is why Abhay Charan De (Prabhupada) transported and sold the Indian 'Gaudiya Matha' reject as a business investment to Americans. And that is now the true mission of iskcon ... business.

* "Sri Ramananda Raya, however, vanquished Cupid’s pride. Indeed, while rehearsing the Jagannatha-vallabha-na?aka he personally directed extremely beautiful young girls in dancing, but he was never affected by their youthful beauty.Sri Ramananda Raya personally bathed these girls, touching them and washing them with his own hands,....." (Cc-Adi 10.84: purport).

>>That's the position Srila Prabhupada took, and it's the position all the Sampradaya Acaryas took: they weren't after money, name, fame or followers.<<

What sampradaya acaryas? We have repeatedly said the list of 'acaryas' released by Bhaktisiddhanta, and to which Prabhupada added his name, was a forgery.* Most of the characters are invented ... never did exist. And the sect's true sampradaya ** was purposely omitted to fake a lineage from god, and to hide its true entrepreneurial beginnings. We present the historical truth below, which belies cult motivation since concept: Lies above Truth ... Mammetry for Mammon. But before we do, the question stares us all in the face .... If the sampradaya acaryas (even had they existed) weren't after money, name, and fame or followers why did the sect exploit little girls boys and women as temple whores ... hide vast sums of donated wealth in temple vaults and in idols ... and continue to exploit and extort monies from members and from governments in the name of god and charity?

* “The line that your guru maharaja (A.C Bhaktivedanta Swami- Prabhupada) listed in his Bhagavad Gita was made up by my brother Bhaktisiddhanta. He was rejected by our father Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur and his guru who was Bipin Bihari Goswami. Bhaktisiddhanta spoke against Bipin Bihari from the stage of a large public gathering in Calcutta. He called him a caste Goswami and a sahajiya (a cheap cheater).
“When our father heard about this, he said, ‘You should keep out of religious affairs. It would be better if you went and lived in Mayapur alone. Chant Hare Krishna and pray for Lord Chaitanya’s mercy.’
“But when our father Bhaktivinode Thakur died, I went to my brother and said, ‘Who will carry on our father’s teachings now that he is gone? You are the oldest.’ I was working for the government like our father did, while he was doing his spiritual practices and was a scholar. ‘You’re the one to do it,’ I told him. 'How can I do it when I've been rejected by out father and his guru?' was his reply. 'You're smart. Make up a disciplic succession. Who will know?' He did it. When he went to Vrindaban to preach, the babajis there knew he had made it up." (Lalita Prasad Dutt, brother of Bimal Prasad Dutt (Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati) Prabhupada's (De) guru).

** "Vaishnavism came into existence 150 years after Raja Bhoja. It was taught first by (1) Shatakopa who was born of a Kanjar (low caste) family. It was after him preached by (2) Munibanan, born of a sweeper family, and then by (3) Yavanacharya, born of a Greek or Moslem family, then by (4) Ramanuja, a Brahmin by birth, who gave it a great impetus." (Satyarth Prakash. Chapter XI).

>> Their preaching missions actually weren't as materially successful as many other Indian preaching missions, like the Ramakrishnas or Sai Baba.<<

BIF: The Gaudiya Vaisnava mission was never a success ... materially or spiritually. The 'hidden avatar,' Chaitanya was a Gaudiya secret not found (literally) in historical records. It was only after Gaudiya groups began dog fighting publicly that the hidden avatar lost his peek-a-boo status. The fight continues even to this day as goddogs bite and snarl in iskcon puppy packs .... stopping only to howl, in Prabhupadism, at the De moon.

>>Even the Swami Narayanas have bigger temples and in some respects are more strict than the Hare Krishnas. But they all miss out on the mercy of Lord Chaitanya. Due to their attachment to the Hindu culture and traditions, they have cheated themselves out of the opportunity to get Mahaprabhu's benediction. Just like the Hindus who don't become Hare Krishnas, and the Hare Krishnas who become Hindus.<<

....end....

8. No Hindu believes, even for a moment, that s/he is missing out on the mercy or benediction of (Lord or Lady?) Chaitanya. We have noted it before and we note it again ... the Vaisnava sect, and in particular- Gaudiya Vaisnavism, was seen by early scholars as 'effeminate,' and publicly labeled by British colonials as 'self-evidentially immoral.' Hindus, for most part, do not even know about Chaitanya. Those who do know, either read of the Gaudiya court case (1914- ) or were first introduced to the 'hidden avatar' via iskcon cult claims connecting him to the puranic Hindu romper-room rooters .... radha krishna.

9. What the iskcon founder- De did, was reveal his 'hidden avatar' and his edited version of sect 'yoga' to stoned hippies : converts who were one LSD trip away from piloting their own pushpa vamans. However the hidden truth regards the hidden avatar and his sexually clubbable following was not so hidden from the eyes of Indian law. The devadasi and gotipua sex racket, run by sect temples, was out in the open and under review. Furthermore, the cult was well known for men who dressed up like blue god-krishna and had homosex with boys and men who dressed-up like krishna's flute-loving eight-year-old cowherd girlfriends- sakhi-bekhis. The Gaudiya branch of the krishna sect (Chaitanyaites) also had their own drag queens and cross dressers- gauranga-nagaris. A brief glimpse of the nagaris is offered at the end of this video-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wFGRGHXCGhQ And just incase readers think that gauranga-nagaris had misunderstood paintings of Chaitanya ... portraying him as a ladyboy, here is a little something from Gaudiya literature that De did not tell his trippies about:-

"Once, the sense controlled great Lord
(Chaitanya) with His moonlike face and smile of nectar dressed Himself in sublime women's attire.....Like a gopi, He wore a beautiful bodice on His chest, bracelets made of tiny conch shells, and a saffron dress around His very slender waist. He danced with sweet lotus feet, celebrated by tinkling ankle bells.....Then, the Lord, ..... gave breast milk to those most exalted of godly men. And, as they gazed upon the Supreme Lord, whose beautiful eyes were filled with tender compassion, His associates felt joy...... Visvambhara (Chaitanya) affectionately breast-fed everyone....All those Vaishnavas,....blissfully drank milk from the Lord's breast. By drinking the Lord's breast milk, their feelings of separation were mitigated and they became greatly maddened in the mellows of ecstatic love." (Sri Caitanya-bhagavata 2.18.203-208)

In summary we offer readers the opinion of mainline iskcon junkies, or those who continuously seek to mitigate recorded abuse of Hindus by the cult founder and thereby continue to bilk Indians vis-a-vis evictees who swing the Hindu / mayavadi hammer intent on destroying the collection-box they cannot reach. The difference is remarkable. Emphasis added:

Source: http://iskconnews.org/are-iskcon-devotees-hindus,3322/

" In that sense, when demonstrating the authenticity of ISKCON and the Gaudiya, or Chaitanya Vaishnava tradition, it is appropriate to accept the more commonly known term “Hindu”. For example, as Prabhupada’s movement grew and began to be criticized as a “new cult” in various parts of the world, he acknowledged that we are part of the broader Hindu culture.

When “deprogrammers tried to stop youth joining ISKCON in the 1970s because they thought it was “brainwashing” them, Srila Prabhupada said in a 1976 conversation in Mumbai, “So because America has got freedom of religion, so if they accept my movement as Hindu religion, they cannot do anything [against it].” In other words, if people understand ISKCON as an authentic tradition, part of the broader Hindu culture, they will be more likely to accept it, and not falsely deride or attack its members.

When an attempt was made to stop London’s Rathayatra in 1974, he told disciples, “A protest meeting should be done in such a way that the whole world may know that
the British Government stopped the yearly Ratha-yatra ceremony of the Hindus.”

And in response to an issue of Bhavan’s Journal that questioned whether ISKCON devotees should be allowed to enter Hindu temples, Srila Prabhupada wrote, “The Hindu Vishva Parishad approves us as rigid Hindus as it will be clear from the letter of Swami Cinmayananda.”

In more recent times, ISKCON, presenting itself as part of the Hindu community, the world’s third biggest religion with 1 billion members, has successfully defended its devotees from persecution in Moscow, Kazakhstan, and Hungary. In the UK, devotees, representing the Hindu community, won a decade-long battle against the local government when it tried to close Bhaktivedanta Manor to public worship. At the Manor, ISKCON devotees, representing Hindus of Britain, have met the Queen and the Prime Minister, and have visited the House of Parliament.

All this is in no way a dishonest or opportunist representation of ourselves. ISKCON’s official statement, http://content.iskcon.org/icj/7_1/71srd.html “ISKCON in Relationship to People of Faith and God”, sums up the matter: “ISKCON belongs to the Gaudiya Vaishnava sampradaya, a monotheistic tradition within Vedic or Hindu culture. Hindu culture is vast, and the term encompasses numerous theologies, philosophies, religious traditions and spiritual cultures. Thus, dialogue with Hindu traditions has been difficult for many seeking such dialogue. There is no one official representative of Hinduism, as the term Hinduism does not imply a single spiritual tradition. This statement therefore is representative of Hindu culture and religion as ISKCON, as a Vedantic, monotheistic Vaishnava tradition.”

From Srila Prabhupada’s statements, and the points we have discussed in this article, several things are clear. First, that ISKCON simultaneously has its own, unique identity, and is part of the broader Hindu culture. Secondly, that from the spiritual perspective, we are not Hindus—and neither are we Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist. We are servants of God, and this eternal nature of the soul transcends any sectarian identity.

However, from a cultural, academic, official, and legal point of view ISKCON is part of the broader Hindu community. For the sake of social discourse and practicality in this world, all people are identified under different traditions—whether they’re geographical, political, religious, ethnic, or linguistic. In this regard, ISKCON clearly falls under the broad umbrella of the Vedic—or what is known today as Hindu—traditions.

BIF: If iskcon claims to be part of Hindu culture/tradition/community ... WHY IS THE CULT CONVERTING HINDUS?

It seems to follow that rather than blustering “We are not Hindus!,” or naively agreeing that we are Hindu whatever the context, we should take Srila Prabhupada’s example of responding thoughtfully according to time, place and circumstance. It would be useful to every ISKCON devotee to understand the different ways in which our founder accepted or rejected the term Hindu. Then, when appropriate, we can emphasize our Hindu connections, and when appropriate, articulate the difference between Krishna consciousness and a particular facet of Hinduism."


Iskconites, whether Western or Indian, are growing progressively and positively insane. Here is an example; two letters sent to BIF by a convert to iskcon Prabhupadaism, who is apparently suffering severe cachexic disorders. His given name is Pranesh Chand but he cruises singles web sites looking for sex,and pulling scams under the alias- Leal Birball. .. 'Leal the real deal- Birball." We have researched the fellow and placed a string of links below the posted letters. His gibberish typifies the cult crazies standing in welfare queues across the globe.

The letters are unedited. We have added inserts (in blue font) for privacy reasons and clarification only:

Letter #1

$$$$$ YOU ARE A PIGBRAIN.I WILL SEND MORE DETAILS IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS TO SHOW YOU ARE A PIGBRAIN.AND,PROVE THAT YOU [SAKSHI ....THAT IS IF IT YOUR CORRECT NAME] AND ****** (name removed) ********* AND YOUR PIGBRAIN ASSOCIATES ARE DELUSIONAL AND LOWER THAN PIGS.
$$$ I MAY BE AN OCI. (LIAR!) ....overseas citizen of INDIA ....BUT CANNOT UNDERSTAND ALL THAT MUMBO-JUMBO,HODGE-PODGE and HOCUS POCUS you NAIVE AND GULLIBLE HINDUS PRACTISE......WORSHIPING ALL THOSE EVIL,SATANIC SPIRITS IN THE NAME OF GOD...EVIL SPIRITS EMITTED BY HUMAN BEINGS LIKE SAI BABA AND OTHER FRAUDS,WHO HAVE BEEN EXPOSED ON BBC AND OTHER TELEVISION CHANNELS.
PLEASE FEEL FREE TO TELL THE WHOLE OF THE HINDU NATION IN INDIA AND AROUND THE WORLD ABOUT MY SENTIMENTS.
YOU PIGBRAINS[SAKSHI, ****** (name removed) ******* AND YOUR PIGBRAIN ASSOCIATES] ARE A CONFUSED BUNCH OF SOULS,HEADING FOR LIFE AS WORMS IN THE STOOL OF PIGS FOR ZILLIONS AND ZILLIONS OF YEARS.HOPE IT WOULD BE FOREVER THAT LORD VISHNU/LORD KRISHNA CONDEMN YOU TO THIS MANIFESTATION AS WORMS IN THE STOOL OF PIGS.
$$$$ YOU ARE A MAYAVADI [IMPERSONALIST] PIGBRAIN..IT IS UNDERSTANDABLE THAT YOU WOULD WRITE GIBBERISH ABOUT LORD KRISHNA SINCE YOU HAVE A POOR FUND OF KNOWLEDGE OF THE VEDAS SINCE YOU ARE FOLLOWING A BUSHPIG ,MAHARISHI,WHO IS NO AUTHORITY IN THE VEDAS.
WHAT YOU ARE FOLLOWING ARE CONCOCTIONS FROM A BUSHPIG CALLING himself MAHARISHI.... (Maharishi Dayananda Saraswati)
HE IS A DICKBRAIN,PIGBRAIN MAHARISHI. PLEASE TELL him and his NAIVE AND GULLIBLE FOLLOWERS THAT THESE ARE MY STATEMENTS.
WHAT ARE YOU AND his FOLLOWERS GOING TO DO,PIGBRAIN.....ORGANIZE A HIT ON ME.THAT IS WHAT PIGS LIKE YOU ARE CAPABLE OF DOING.JUST LIKE THE BOGUS "GBC" AND BOGUS ISKCON " GURUS" LIKE CHARU SWAMI,JAYAPATAKA AND OTHERS.
$$$ YOU ARE AT LIBERTY TO CONDEMN BOGUS GURUS LIKE CHARU SWMAI,JAYAPATAKA AND HIS GOONS. BUT,PLEASE DO NOT WRITE TRASH ABOUT OUR GURU, SRILA PRABHUPADA,CHAITANYA MAHAPRABHU AND LORD KRISHNA.
$$$ I WOULD THINK THAT YOU ARE A DEVOTEE OF DURGA DEVI. WHAT DOES THE DURGA PURANA SAY ABOUT LORD VISHNU...THAT IS IF YOU ARE CAPABLE OF READING BEYOND PRIMARY SCHOOL WHEN IT COMES TO TOPICS RELATED TO THE VEDAS...IT SAYS THAT LORD VISHNU IS THE BOSS OF DURGA DEVI SINCE DURGA DEVI IS THE MATERIAL REFLECTION OF DURGA DEVI.DURGA DEVI IS THE MATERIAL REFLECTION OF LAKSHMI DEVI.
ASK YOUR PIGBRAIN,DICKBRAIN AND BUSHPIG, MAHARISHI WHETHER THE ABOVE IS CORRECT.
$$$ HEY,PIGBRAIN,CAN YOU LIST THE TEN INCARNATIONS/AVATARS OF LORD VISHNU.
YOU ADMIT THAT LORD VISHNU IS THE SUPREME TRUTH AND THE VEDAS WAS IMPARTED ONTO LORD BRAHMA.
ARE YOU AWARE THAT LORD BRAHMA IS MENTIONED BY THE BUDDHISTS AND THAT LORD BUDDHA IS AN INCARNATION OF LORD VISHNU.BRAHMA EMANATED FROM THE NAVEL OF LORD VISHNU.
WHAT WERE LORD BUDDHA'S FINAL INSTRUCTIONS TO ALL HIS STUDENTS AND FOLLOWERS,PIGBRAIN.
ASK BUSHPIG,MAHARISHI TO IMPART THE ANSWER TO YOU.THAT IS IF he CAN EVER CALL himself A HUMAN BEING.HE IS A BUSHPIG JUST LIKE YOU,WITH PIGBRAIN.
LORD VISHNU IS A PERSONALITY.NOT SOMETHING VOID OR IMPERSONAL.LORD VISHNU IS ABLE TO INTERACT WITH HIS DEVOTEES AND RECIPROCATE WITH HIS VAISHNAVA DEVOTEES.YOU CANNOT BE A DEVOTEE OF LORD VISHNU/LORD KRISHNA SINCE YOU ARE AN OFFENDER AT THE LOTUS FEET OF LORD VISHNU/LORD KRISHNA.
$$$$ SO WHAT WERE THE PASTIMES OF LORD KRISHNA WHEN LORD KRISHNA DESCENDED AS AN AVATAR/INCARNATION OF LORD VISHNU.
SRILA PRABHUPADA WILL TELL YOU THAT ALL AVATARS/INCARNATIONS COME THROUGH LORD VISHNU. IT IS A SPIRITUAL PORTAL. NOTHING MATERIAL AND MUNDANE LIKE YOUR PIGGISH BRAIN.LISTENING TO A BUSHPIG CALLING himself MAHARISHI.
LET US ASSUME THAT YOU AND MAHARISHI AS FIRST CLASS PIGBRAINS KNOW MOERE THAN ALL THE PREVIOUS ACHARYAS LIKE BHAKTIVINODE THAKUR,BHAKTISIDDANTA AND SRILA PRABHUPADA. (iskcon's three man parampara)
LET US SAY THAT LORD VISHNU IS THE ORIGIN OR SOURCE OF LORD KRISHNA [IN CERTAIN YUGAS], WHO CAME AS THE 8TH AVATAR OF LORD VISHNU.WHAT WERE LORD VISHNU'S PASTIMES AS LORD KRISHNA.
I MUST ADMIT THAT LORD VISHNU AND LORD KRISHNA,WHO ARE ONE AND THE SAME WOULD NOT APPRECIATE YOUR VERBAL DIARRHOEA.
SINCE LORD VISHNU IS THE SUPREME TRUTH,SOMETHING THAT YOU CANNOT DENY,THEN IT MEANS THAT LORD VISHNU IS "ABSOLUTE".

WHAT IS THE MEANING OF "ABSOLUTE".SO,LORD KRISHNA WHO DESCENDED AS THE 8 TH AVATAR/INCARNATION OF LORD VISHNU WOULD ALSO BE "ABSOLUTE", MEANING THAT LORD KRISHNA IS A "PLENARY" AVATAR/INCARNATION OF LORD VISHNU. TRY DISPUTING THIS.....YOUR PIGBRAIN,BUSHPIG MAHARISHI CANNOT DENY THIS.HE ADMITTED THAT LORD VISHNU IS THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH.
SO,WHAT ARE THE PASTIMES OF LORD KRISHNA AS AN AVATAR/INCARNATION OF LORD VISHNU.LORD VISHNU IS ALWAYS ACCOMPANIED BY LAKSHMI DEVI,WHO IS SRIMATI RADHARANI IN VRINDAVAN WHEN LORD KRISHNA DESCENDS AS AN AVATAR/INCARNATION OF LORD VISHNU.
JUST AS LORD VISHNU,WHO IS THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH/SUPREME TRUTH, CAN DO WHATEVER HE DESIRES SINCE HE IS NOT CHECKED BY ANY MATERIAL RULES,LAWS AND REGULATIONS, SIMILARLY LORD KRISHN IS ALSO THE SUPREME TRUTH/ABSOLUTE TRUTH.HE [LORD KRISHNA] IS NOT CHECKED BY MATERIAL RULES AND REGULATIONS AND LAWS,ETC.
WHAT DOES BUSHPIG,MAHARISHI HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THE ABOVE.
AS A PIGBRAIN, TOGETHER WITH YOUR BUSHPIG MAHARISHI, CAN YOU NARRATE ALL THE PASTIMES OF LORD VISHNU IN THE VISHNU PURANA AND GARUDA PURANA AND OTHER PURANAS.
WHAT DOES THE SHIVA PURANA HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THE WORSHIP OF LORD VISHNU. LORD VISHNU IS THE BOSS OF LORD SHIVA SINCE LORD SHIVA STATES THAT THE WORSHIP OF LORD VISHNU IS THE HIGHEST. LORD SHIVA IS A GREAT DEVOTEE OF LORD VISHNU AND LORD SHIVA IS THE CONSORT OF DURGA DEVI. LORD SHIVA WAS BORN FROM THE FOREHEAD OF LORD BRAHMA.
LIKE TO KNOW WHAT DURGA DEVI WOULD HAVE TO SAY ABOUT YOUR ATTACKING her WORSHIPABLE LORD, LORD NARAYANA. HOPE DURGA DEVI BLESSES YOU TO BE BORN AS A WORM IN THE STOOL OF PIGS FOR ZILLIONS AND ZILLIONS OF YEARS. I WILL PRAY TO DURGA DEVI THAT she BLESSES YOU AND BUSHPIG, MAHARISHI AND ALL YOUR PIGBRAIN BUDDIES LIKE ESTHER MENDOZA,ETC, TO BE BORN AS WORMS IN THE STOOL OF PIGS,FOR ETERNITY/FOREVER.
SINCE PIGBRAIN MAHARISHI HAS CONCEDED THAT THERE ARE TEN AVATARS OF LORD VISHNU, THEN WHY IS IT SO DIFFICULT FOR A PIGBRAIN LIKE YOU TO NOT UNDERSTAND THE PASTIMES OF LORD RAMACHANDRA IN THE RAMAYANA. THAT LORD RAMACHANDRA IS AN ABSOLUTE AVATAR/INCARNATION OF LORD VISHNU AND THAT HE [LORD RAMACHANDRA] IS A VISHNU-TATTVA AND IS NOT LIMITED BY MUNDANE TIME,SPACE, LAWS, RULES AND REGULATIONS.
SINCE LORD VISHNU IS ABSOLUTE/SUPREME, ALL HIS AVATARS ARE ALSO VISHNU-TATTVA. DO YOU KNOW THE MEANING OF VISHNU-TATTVA IN RELATION TO LORD VISHNU.LAKSHMI DEVI, WHO IS ALSO THE CONSORT OF LORD JAGANNATH IS ALSO VISHNU-TATTVA, MEANING SHE [LASKSHMI DEVI] IS ALSO ABSOLUTE/SUPREME.
ASK YOUR BUSHPIG ,MAHARISHI THE MEANING OF VISHNU-TATTVA.
SO WHAT WOULD BE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LORD JAGANNATH, LORD VISHNU AND LORD KRISHNA AND LORD RAMACHANDRA. NOTHING.THEY ARE ALL ABSOLUTE.
SINCE YOU, AS A PIGBRAIN AND YOUR BUSHPIG MAHARISHI CONCEDE THAT LORD VISHNU IS SUPREME, THEN WHAT IS SO DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE PASTIMES OF LORD RAMACHANDRA AND LORD KRISHNA.
PIGBRAIN, ****** (name removed) ******* HARPS ON THE ISSUE OF THE MOON LANDING. JUST LATELY "NASA" CONCEDED THAT THEY NEVER WENT TO THE MOON. HOW DOES THAT FEEL TO YOU, PIGBRAIN AND ESPECIALLY HOGBRAIN, ****** (name removed) *******.
SINCE YOU HAVE CRAP/STOOL IN YOUR PIGHEADS, YOU ARE SHAMELESS AND MINDLESS, PIGBRAINS. WHY NOT PUT YOUR MOUTHS AND TONGUES IN THE ANUS/ASS/BACKSIDE OF A FEW HOGS/PIGS.THEN YOU WILL DEFINITELY BECOME ENLIGHTENED.BUT, MAYAVADIS AND IMPERSONALISTS ARE LOWER THAN PIGS. WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM PIGBRAINS.....THE WHOLE WORLD EXPECTS YOU TO WRITE WORSE THAN GIBBERISH.

LEARN THE BASICS OF THE WORSHIP OF LORD VISHNU BEFORE YOU WRITE ABSOLUTE GIBBERISH SINCE IT SHOWS THE WHOLE WORLD WHAT CRAP/STOOL YOU HAVE IN YOUR HEADS...THAT IS YOU, PIGBRAIN, HOGBRAIN, ****** (name removed) ******* AND YOUR PIGBRAIN ASSOCIATES
ENJOY YOUR NEXT LIVES AS WORMS IN THE STOOL OF PIGS/HOGS IN THE CITY OF KOLKATA.

LEAL

Letter #2
From: lcbirball@gmail.com
To: Editor
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2014 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: EVIL CULTIST MAYAVADIS

Hey,PIGRAIN.we can expect such gibberish from you.That is what Mayavadis can do..write and talk PIG-TRASH.You now accept that you and your buddies are PIGBRAINS since you can only talk and write PIGTRASH.

Since you,as a PIGBRAIN, are ignorant of the Vedas.you would resort to such personal attacks.Talk in terms of SASTRA,not in terms of your PIGBRAINS.That is if you know any Sastra.Talk to me about LOrD VISHNU,not about all your mental concoctions,originating from your BUSHPIG,Maharishi.

What is your parampara,PIGBRAIN.Whom does your BUSHPIG,Maharishi link you to....Dvivida,the gorilla.
No wonder you have a brain worse than a gorilla and lower than a PIG.
Your body and brain is a cross between a gorilla and a PIG.no wonder you begin to question and ponder your parentage and paternity,born somewhere in one the whorehouses in one of the slums when pigs and gorillas were having an orgy/sex party.That is what you are...a cross between a few pigs and a few gorillas having an orgy/sex party. You are not human.You are a PIG/DEVIL in the body of an evil spirit.

Talk of parampara.Hey,PIGBRAIN,if you knew anything about the worship of LORD VISHNU,then you would know that LORD KRISHNA is bluish-black.So much for your stupidity and ignorance.

Will the world after reading your posts,which is so full of crap since you are so ignorant when it comes to the worship of LORD VISHNU and the Vedas,,consider anything that you say as credible.
I will keep on saying you and your associates are PIGBRAINS and half of the rituals you naïve and gullible Hindus perform are worship of evil spirits.worship of evil,satanic spirits.
At least I am worshiping LORD VISHNU,who descended as an avatar/Incarmation..,Lord Krishna and Lord Ramachandra..I wordhip LORD NaRAYANa,the ABSOLUTE TRUTH
Not some fantasy/fictional concoctions
brewed in your PIGBRAIN.Most Mayavadis are worshipers of evil,satanic spirits.

Since Maharishi has conceded that LORD VISHNU is ABSOLUTe/SUPREME,some credit would go to him for having some grey matter to realize this and concede to this fact.That his piggish followers see difference between LORD VIsHNU,LORD KRISHNA,LORD RAMACHANDRA and LORD JAGANATH is mind- boggling.
That is due to the lack of knowledge of SASTRA and the worship of LORD NARAYANA.

What does the Vedas say about PIGS like you who blaspheme LORD VISHNU and his devotees.It is useless following Maharishi,who says that LORD VISHNU is ABSOLUTE/SUPREME,when PIGS like you blaspheme LORD KRISHNA,who is an avatar of LORD VISHNU.You are licking your own vomit,PIGRAIN.Wallow in your own vomit,PIGBRAIN...you and your PIGBRAIN associates.

What would Maharishi say about my comments.That he failed in educating PIGBRAINS like you and your PIGBRAIN buddies in the worship of LORD VISHNU.That he failed miserably. no wonder he has PIGGISH followers like you and others,so poor in the knowledge of the VEDAS and SASTRA,that they resort to personal attacks.

My parampara is one of four PIGBRAIN.Do you know all four.There are four Sampradayas.Can you list all four Sampradayas,EVIL BRAIN.
Because your head is so full of crap/PIGSHIT,due to the lack of knowledge of the worship of Lord Vishnu and the Vedas/SASTRA,you would write any gibberish to make you feel happy and live in fool's paradise.
What parampara do you have,PIGBRAIN.You have a parampara that is leading you to the remotest part of HELL.
At least my parampara,without any question,leads me to LORD NARAYANA and the spiritial world,VAIKUNTA.It is a bonafide parampara started by Lord Brahma.
Who started your parampara....Dvivida,the gorilla and taking you to Ravana.

As PIGBRAINS,you and your associates are lacking in the knowledge of the worship of LORD VISHNU and the VEDAS/SASTRa.whatever little you know is so dangerous to PIGBRaINS like you and your buddies.Who can stop you and your buddies from pulling the triggers of the pistols on your own I'm your PIGGISH mouths and brains.Enjoy killing yourselves...called spiritual suicide.

Hope you believe in KARMA and REINCARNATION since you and your buddies have ensured that your next births by providence would be as worms in PIG CRAP for zillions and zillions of lifetimes.This is also my blessings to you,Esther Madozza and the rest of you PIGS.How do you like that blessing from a devotee of LORD VISHNU/LORD KRISHNA/LORD JAGANATH..Go and figure out what I have said and please feel free to publish all that I have said and need to say in the future.
Purity in the worship of LORD VISHNU is when offenders of the devotees of LORD VISHNU are chastized in the strongest terms,even if they have to be doomed to future births as worms in PIG STOOL/CRAP.
.What does the Vedas/SASTRA say about offenders at the LOTUs FEET of LORd VISHNU/LORD KRISHNA and HIS devotees.Let us see whether you have an iota of grey matter in your PIGBRAIN to answer such a simple question.Do you know the pastimes of JAYA and VIJAYA.

Shows what a DICKBRAIN and PIGBRAIN,you and your ASSHOLE associates are....keep on following a PIGBRAIN CULTIST,BUSHPIG MAHARISHI.
Your face reesemles the ASS of Putana since you and your POGBRAIN associates were caught fornicating with Dvivida in your Mayavadi BUSHPIG CULT.Does Durga Devi know about PIGS like you and your associates.To think that she has PIGBRAIN devotees like you and devillish PIGS like Esther Madozza.

Mayavadis are shameless and mindless... they are worse than cats and dogs....they fornicate like PIGS.
Your mentality and mindset is that of a PIGBRAIN CULTIST....you and your PIGBRAIN associates.

Why should I not worry about your Hindu beliefs since some of your beliefs and rituals are worse than DEVILLISH concoctions.Worse than CULTS.That is why you and your associates are worse than PIGBRAINS.How many evils spirits and ghosts did you and your associates fornicate with in your Mayavadi cult.

Hey,PIGBRAIN,why not answer my questions.You would do better to answer my questions than using fancy words to try to weasle your way out of the situation.

Begin to wonder how many more PIGS like you there are in India and around the world..You may think that you are smart but you are the stupidest PIG in the entire universe.stupid cannot begin to descrie how low you are.you are lower than hog crap.enjoy your life as a worms in PIG CRAP,together with your PIGBRAIN associates.

And when we refused to enter into debate ... for obvious reasons, he sent us this last goodbye:

From:
lcbirball@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2014 18:43:02
To: Editor<
editor@b-i-f.com>
Reply-To:
lcbirball@gmail.com
Subject: Re: EVIL CULTIST MAYAVADIS

The whole world should know him,a PIGBRAIN as a coward...one who ran away from a challenge and was defeated.
This PIGBRAIN is apparently also a TRANSVESTITE together with PIGBRAIN, *** (name removed)***, who is apparently fond of watching pornographic material and apparently was/is keen on acting in PORN movies with one(100) hundred men at the same time.shows what a whore this PIGBRAIN,****** (name removed) ******* apparently is.

......end....

So we researched the South African BUSHPIG, and discovered his PIGBRAIN hangs between his rear end trotters:

BIF

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KNOTS in a THREAD

I. Madhu Pandit Dasa (iskcon Bangalore ... akshaya patra's donation don) is using cyber shrills to post seven year old pictures which show the akshya patra bossman hosting CM of Gujarat- Narendra Modi. The deception lies in that the Gujarati Chief Minister is now Prime Minister of India, and the old pictures are being used to propagate, promote, and enhance the akshaya patra don's image and reputation to prospective donors who are unaware of the fact.
For BIF readers interested in the iskcon GBC vs. Madhu Pandit (Bangalore) legal case, here is a link to the case history. It is 84 pages in pdf. If you cannot wait for download put it in Google search engine -

http://judgmenthck.kar.nic.in/judgments/bitstream/123456789/536696/1/RFA421-09-23-05-2011.pdf

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2. In Satya Yuga, they meditated for 100K years, and sometimes under water (blug blug). And at the end of Dvarpa Yuga they had transcendental TV, much better than the SciFi channel. Was cool how Sanjaya could dial into the Arjuna channel on his dial-a-devotee channel selector.ml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />

Not everything Prabhupada said was erroneous, like if you add potatoes to vegetables you have a meal. The borrowed stuff was pretty much true, and that helped sway us. We were so Prabhupada-ed out that we believed he was the author of such common Indian knowledge, like how to make sweet balls and play kartals. The made-up stuff, like “castles on the Moon” and “All women are ho’s with pea brains”, is another thing. How he knew everything about what is beyond the Universe but got it all completely wrong about the Earth (flat), Moon (far) and Sun (only light bulb) should break even the most stalwart devotee. However, that would take a career move that devotees don’t want to make.
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3. Dear
Editor@B-I-F,

Madhu Pandit's butt-kisser, Puranjana Das has posted a link connecting rape in India to the caste system.
How different is ISKCON's varnasrama system from the caste system when taking into account the fact that Prabhupada said sudras and women should be controlled, what to speak of untouchables? ISKCON has more untouchables than the Indian caste system ...mayavadis- karmis - asuras - boghis - melecchas - aparadhis -muddhas- grehamedhis- yavanas- chandalas. All of them are untouchables by ISKCON classification unless willing to accept Prabhupada as god. All these "lesser humans" have little children that ISKCON would love to rape (Prabhupada said they like to be raped). How different would the cult be if they reigned supreme and had access to these kids?

BIF: If iskcon wants to sex little gopis and gopas, they will need to pressure the American Psychiatric Association (APA). The Association is already bending to pressure from pedophiles by stating in its Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition (DSM-5) that sex with children is- "Sexual Orientation." It was only when concerned parents raised a hue and cry that the APA released a statement saying it had made a mistake.

Sitting on their own genitals is the best iskcon can expect 'cause varnasrama isn't gonna re-happen. Caste is entering permanent samadhi along with the mythological pure devotee nonsense. As for Puranjana ... don't waste your time. He is a kuta na ghar ka na ghat ka.
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4. Here we present a short, sharp, deep jab from Matt-ji, formerly Mahasana dasa (ACBSP), a direct (not ritvik) initiate of the iskcon founder- A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami, Prabhupada:

Krishnas Misusing Science to Support Their Religion: (by Matt-ji, formerly Mahasana dasa)

Below is an article from KRSNA NEWS suggesting that science confirms the findings of the Padma Purana, which states that there are 8,400,000 species of life in the entire Universe. Here is the link http://hansadutta.com/krsnanews/2011/08/24/8400000-species-life-padma-purana/

Krishnas Misusing Science to Support Their Religion: (by Matt-ji, formerly Mahasana dasa)

Below is an article from KRSNA NEWS suggesting that science confirms the findings of the Padma Purana, which states that there are 8,400,000 species of life in the entire Universe. Here is the link http://hansadutta.com/krsnanews/2011/08/24/8400000-species-life-padma-purana/

However, the scientists are saying that there are 8,700,000 species currently on Earth, whereas the The Padma Purana says that there are 8,400,000 fixed species in the entire Universe (no evolution).

According to Bhaktivedana Swami, the Krishna Acarya, the number of species on Earth is much less than 8,400,000. Bhaktivedanta says, of the 400,000 species of humans that populate the Universe, less than 1,000 human species populate Earth, 1/400 the amount of species in the Universe (see 1971 correspondence below), and here is the link: http://www.vaniquotes.org/wiki/We_have_information_that_there_are_8,400,000_species_of_life._Out_of_these,_400,000_species_are_considered_human_life).

Letter to Upendra -- Delhi 8 December, 1971:

You say that you have met people who claim that by evolution we are approaching a higher stage of existence. That is true in one sense, that anyone who takes to Krishna Consciousness may elevate himself to the highest status of life. Krishna mentions many types of higher beings in Bhagavad-gita, such as demigods and those who dwell on higher planets. We have information that there are 8,400,000 species of life. Out of these, 400,000 species are considered human life. Of these 400,000, how many species do we find in our experience? Not many, probably less than 1,000, so we must conclude that there are hundreds of thousands of higher and lower types of human forms. But this does not mean that automatically one body evolves into a higher body. No. It is described by Krishna how the soul becomes embodied according to his desire. So there are 8,400,000 types of bodies eternally existing. Not that the appearance of a new form in this world means that form has never existed previously. No, as conditions change on this earth planet, the living entities here desire to enjoy in a different way, so they take a different type of body. Even that body may be new here, it has always existed also somewhere else. So if a man qualifies for that body, he may be rewarded the body of superman, as he desires. So if someone wants such body, he must learn the process for acquiring it, that is Bhagavad-gita.

If the same ratio for human species, 1/400, applies to all species, then, of the 8,400,000 Universal species, only 21,000 species currently inhabit this Earth. (8,400,000 X 1/400)

Science also claims that 99.9% of the species on Earth are extinct (below). Here is the link:

http://paleobiology.si.edu/geotime/main/foundation_life4.html

Extinction is the complete demise of a species. It takes place when all individuals of a species die out. Extinction has occurred throughout the history of life on Earth. It is the ultimate fate of all species. In fact, it has been estimated that 99.9% of all species that have ever lived on Earth are now extinct.

This pushes the number of species that have inhabited just the earth Earth alone to over 8 billion, far above the Krishna claim of 8.4 million species total and forever in the entire Universe.

To conclude, the Swami (expounding on the Padma Purana species count) implies that there are roughly 21 thousand species currently on Earth and 8.4 million fixed species in the entire Universe. Science, however, calculates 8.7 million species are currently present on Earth and 8.7 billion species (and growing) have inhabited just the Earth alone, over time.

Swami (Padma Purana)

Science

Error

Species currently on Earth

21,000

8,700,000

1:400

Species in entire Universe

8,400,000 (fixed)

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Species that have ever inhabited the Earth

-

8,700,000,000 (and increasing)

This is NOT proof that science supports the Padma Purana; rather, this is proof that science REJECTS the Padma Purana, the opposite of what the Krishnas are saying.

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