festival I talked with HH Prahladananda Maharaja (the Sannyasa
minister).....[....].... He..[...]..suggested I didn't waste my time
publicising the P. issue because it was a controversial issue allready
relegated to a low priority by the GBC....<<
you telling us that the Sannyasa Ministry is working in concert
with the GBC to conceal an alleged homicide because it is
controversial? Is the Sannyasa Ministry condoning the GBC's ascendancy as
a right to relegate Srila Prabhupada's poisoning to a
low priority status? How does this differ from the conduct codes
of a criminal organization? Is the Sannyasa Ministry aware
of complicity in obstructing justice by aiding to conceal a crime?
Srila Prabhupada was poisoned he will surely forgive us as we allready
certainly pleased him to some extent.<<
Even the Vedas
ordain that murderers atone in this world; Federal Law
most certainly does. Is the GBC suggesting that all
laws be dismantled and replaced by speculation, which includes
airy-fairy sentiment and controversy as reasons to abandon
we push on this movement more successfully now Srila Prabhupada would
probably prefer to let byegones me byegones.The ISKCON history is
anyway a can of worms we can never clear up.Where would it
it could end with honest dealing and clean thinking. As for
pushing on the movement, what is the GBC doing differently now; what
are they doing that will not simply counter-produce more
cans of worms? If we are to believe Sri Krishna, then pious men
render service to Him. So what transforms piety into worms?
After all, worms take birth in dirt and decay.
as a priority we should push on regardless with renewed
preaching efforts and let the can of historic worms be
opened only if and when it has to be.<<
preaching' concept is not new, it was there in the beginning and
without end. Yet, Maharaja, it is impossible to accept a
preacher unless he is united with sincerity and candour towards
himself; the strength to stand alone in the light of God.
Otherwise his preaching, no matter how 'renewed', will only
travel as far as the listener's ability to identify the
what we are dealing with here is a concerted effort to tranquillise
an alleged murder for profit. This is not the domain of GBC
preachers, but that of universally accepted law; legislated by God and
enforced by man for the well being of the species.
sharing a room with HH Kavicandra Swami for some of the time and his
basic stance about this P.issue is that all the devotees
involved with pushing the P issue are all rather left-field ISKCON
devotees with axes to grind.<<
October '03, K Swami was not interested in JFY because of Nityananda
das' possible involvement. Here is what you wrote- "HH
Kavicandra Swami thought that BIF was Nityananda's mouth piece and
therefore he mentally discredited it and thought it a waste of time
to read it." Now he has digressed to seeing
ALL devotees involved as having an axe to grind, without even
meeting one. Do you think that maybe he has a divine informant; an
angel sent by Srila Prabhupada in appreciation of the 'preaching
The very fact that ISKCON
Swamis, no less, make sweeping statements simply to
discredit those who seek the truth, brings to question the true agenda
of GBC-appointed-sannyasis: are they preachers, or political
propagandists? Here are some quips and quotes made by 'sannyasis'
in the GBC publication- Not That I am Poisoned: 1) ...beyond
a doubt some of the major agents who are pushing this issue have been
highly influenced by Kali (129 p). 2)...the rat, you know, goes
for the trash, or the roach it goes for the trash (132 p)
3)...their mentality....the kind of chaos that it is bringing into the
movement is beyond just normal deviation, its actually like an
empowerment for destruction (133 p). 4) The poison theory is
hatimata....Mad Elephant Vaisnava Aparadha at its heaviest (151 p).
5) The Poison Theory hatched from the same two insidious, perverted
minds which conceived of the ritvik theory (160 p). 6) The
poison proponents are however, by no means engaged in devotional
service (160 p). 7) ....they must be considered offenders of the
holy name and enemies of the Lord like Sisupala (162 p). 8)
The poison blasphemers are so-called devotees, polluted with envy
and/or madness, foolishness and wickedness (162 p). 9) ....the
poison proponents show the disease of nirvisesa (Mayavada) and
sunyvada (voidism). Both groups want to eliminate the Lord's
relationship with His devotees (164 p). 10) These new anti-ISKCON
people are certainly behaving like demons (164 p). 11) The
modern day poison proponents remind me of Krsna's opponent Rukmi (165
p). 12) The poison proponents are already disfigured by Krsna's sharpened
sword of Maya, disgraced and devoid of the ability to comprehend
or preach Krishna consciousness (170 p). 13) According to sastra,
one who blasphemes a Vaisnava should be.......punished by virtuous
ksatriyas (163 p).
doesn't have the time to take JFY seriously as he thought
it was presented not objectively but as a prosecutors case.< <
Not a single sannyasi, including
Kavicandra, has come forward to denounce the prosecutorial
nature of statements made by their fellow sannyasis in the GBC
book- NTIP. They call for the punishment of blasphemers by
virtuous ksatriyas, but turn a blind eye to suspects in the
poisoning of His Divine Grace. How cockeyed is that?
first commented that the devotees involved with this controversial P
issue are not mainstream ISKCON and have axes to grind with ISKCON
There is some obsession here
with the grinding axe dictum. Anyway, besides the usual
diatribe, what we see when we cut to the bone of this statement is an
attempt to initiate a non sequitur, thereby deflecting
the core issue: due process. Because, if the GBC continue to
deny the existence of prima facie evidence (along with
forensic reports etc.,) and if BCS claims that those who are
'involved' are there only to grind an axe, then no investigation is
justifiable. Ergo the GBC wins, and BCS walks. QED.
that HG Dhira Govinda was now no longer heading up the ISKCON Child
Protection Team as he was no longer considered a
When the only tool in your
toolbox is a hammer, pretty soon everything starts looking like a
nail. We wait with bated breath to hear BCS' response to HG
Dhira Govinda's question, asking why he is no longer
considered a reliable authority.
not ask HHBCS why DG had been relegated and I have not
discovered yet.(But it could be because he took up the P
You should have
asked him why DG was 'relegated'.
The answer would cover the other twenty-five thousand plus, 'unreliables'
who were 'relegated' from GBC-controlled- ISKCON. And
yes, your suspicions concerning his transformation from reliable to
unreliable could well be because of his decision to make an honest
assessment of the P issue. When you consider that DG is
more educated than 99.9% of the GBC, you may understand why he chooses
not to worship with worms in cans, and skeletons in the
noted that none of the BIF devotees were actually
personally present there in Vrndavan at the time
when Prabhupada left his body....<<
No, we were not, but had we
been, this issue would have been settled in 1977 when Srila Prabhupada
said that he was poisoned- "We
asked Srila Prabhupada later what was the cause of his mental
disclosed his thoughts that someone has poisoned him." TKG's
Diary, p 340. And then BCS
loudly proclaimed- "Someone gave him
poison here!". Instead of
acknowledging the facts, BCS secretly financed a book of lies in
which there is no mention of his name in the credits, and then makes
an incredulous statement (NTIP- 121 p) contradicting the
documented audio facts on record. Sorry if this sounds a little
off, but we did contact BCS, and have had it up-to-the-gills with his
mumbo-jumbo. Our letter to him is posted on www.B-I-F.com
Needless to say, he never replied to our questions.
they cannot understand the intense protective mood and feelings
BCs said that none of the devotees he had asked who were in Vrndavan
when Prabhupada left -even HG Adridharan who is staunchly anti-ISKCON-
take the BIF's poisoning case seriously.<<
long ago BCS was involved with tearing "HG"
Adridharan out of the Kolkata mandir and throwing him to the dogs.
Adridharan is wanted by police because of BCS's aggressive stand.
Now he is using Adridharan as his wicket-keeper? We talked to Adridharan
about the poisoning: he said he was a young devotee who simply did
what he was told and could not see any further than he was
told to. We believed him because it made sense.
Sorry, but BCS makes no sense at all. Anyway, here is an excerpt
from a letter that should be of some interest- Was
also just reading how BC Swami is making a complete 180 degree turn in
what he had earlier stated and perceived regarding Srila
Prabhpada's alleged poisoning.What a liar.Ys Adri.
Vrndavan at that time HHBCS and the others were all very
worried when Srila Prabhupada brought up this poisoning
So we will cut
and paste from our questions to BCS:
"As a matter of fact, when we heard His Divine Grace speaking in
that way, we became extremely worried".
So why did YOU become
extremely worried if Srila Prabhupada was simply speaking
If you (et all) were
extremely worried, as you say, why didn't you alert the
authorities to a possible homicide in progress, or after the fact?
Who decided against
informing Law Enforcement/pathology, was it you?
May we have the names of the
WE whom you refer to, and also the name/s of the person/s who decided
not to investigate Srila Prabhupada's plaint?
Srila Prabhupada knew he was being poisoned he could have easily asked
Guru Kripa or someone to "deal" with them.<<
raised this point with us on 21/11/03. Here again
is your retrospection and our explanation:
Srila Prabhupada knew he was being poisoned he could easily have
informed some of his more trusted tough followers (like Guru
Kripa and others) who would have immediately fixed the poison
BIF: "Look Maharaja,
they don't come any tougher than TKG, and he tells us: "
We asked Srila Prabhupada what was the cause of his mental distress.
Prabhupada disclosed his thoughts that someone has poisoned
him." (TKG's Diary, 340p). Yet, and in spite of this
knowledge, the poisoning remained hidden for two decades. How
much 'tougher' do you think the others were? Listen to tapes
44,45 & 46 (these are the last tapes before departure), you
will find that Srila Prabhupada made his poisoning known to all who
were there (his trusted followers). So the question is
not, why didn't Srila Prabhupada inform some of his more
trusted, tougher followers? The question is why didn't those
who heard him and accepted it inform some of his more trusted,
tougher followers? Or more importantly and equitably, why
didn't they alert the authorities to a possible homicide?
Maharaja, please apply rationale: why was the poison issue
silenced for twenty-years, or until we discovered the tapes?
They wrote about everything, discussed everything, except Srila
Prabhupada's plaint that he was being poisoned, and that he had
heard it from "All these friends"- TKG,
Bhavananda, et al. They were discussing his poisoning, he
overheard it and then made it known for the first time to a
practical stranger (Balaram Misra). The audio forensics
asked HHBCS about JFY's allegations that we only gave amateurish
medical treatment to Srila Prabhupada in Vrndavan in 77 he said that
as their spiritual master Srila Prabhupada was mostly directing them
about his kavirajas, doctors and diet etc.Srila Prabhupada knew they
were not medically trained but he never asked to go to hospital for
professional treatment. So the treatment Srila Prabhupada got was in
accordance with his own wishes.<<
"treatment" caused Srila Prabhupada's poisoning,
and that's the case in point. Anyway, the truth is available to
anyone who chooses to educate themselves. BCS is not the
person to be asking for an opinion on this issue. His position
in 1977 frames him as a suspect. He says so himself in his
letter to one of our team members- Thank
you very much for your suggestion. However, I don't think I should be
the one to head up the inquiry, because I am one of the suspects (BCS
he knows that the BIF points its finger at HHTKG as the main
BIF does not
point its finger at TKG, the evidence does. In fact, TKG
does a pretty good job of it, himself. We have pointed this
out at great risk to everything we know and hold dear.
said he had an ambivalent relationship with HHTKG.He was not his
yesman and he often differed in opinions. Sometimes HHTKG
was friendly and sometimes he chastised him.<<
this doesn't sit well with the facts. We cannot make this letter
more voluminous than it already is, otherwise we would
cut-n-paste the drivel that proves differently. Nonetheless, if
BCS is claiming that his 'differed opinion' overrode TKG's at any
time, it must have occurred in his dreams.
said that he had written a letter to the GBC this year proposing
they reinvestigate the poisoning issue again.<<
He also told us about his noble plan- "I
will try to pursuade the GBC body". Our
response to him was- "Good. Please send us a
copy of your correspondence with them so we can work to exonerate
you". Well...we are still
said there was no need as it was allready investigated. So the GBC did
not take up the matter.<<
convenient this is for both the GBC and BCS. He asks them to
'investigate' and they say it has already been done, then they both
pack their bags and go home. Is this a joke? WHO was the ACCREDITED
AGENCY commissioned to undertake the investigation? WHERE are
the AGENCY REPORTS? WHY are they not published under AGENCY LETTERHEAD
for public scrutiny?
said to me "What more should I do now?" He said
that there are so many different anti-ISKCON parties like the "poisonvadis:
and other "vadis"...<<
Every year some
man whom BCS has endorsed as sannyasa/guru, falls down between
the legs of a woman. Yet, we make no blanket statements about
the GBC, or BCS, or the Sannyasa Ministry, as just another group
of "sex vadis". We accept each case on its demerits. If
by tagging us "anti-ISKCON", "vadis", BCS thinks
he can smoke screen the poison issue, his judgement is as uneducated
as his endorsement of perverts, liars and thieves.
cannot just stop the preaching. <<
The fact that an
investigation equates to stopping the preaching, needs psychiatric diagnosis.
There is nothing we can do about a sweeper who develops the habit of
sweeping filth under the carpet instead of using the garbage
sorry that you BIF devotees had such high expectations of me but
that I have been a slow mover. Probably you now think I am a cop
had any great expectations of you, Maharaja. Actually we were
quite surprised when you wrote saying: "Formerly
I had been quite convinced by the official GBC book "Not that
I am poisoned " a rebuttal of Nityananda's book about the
poisoning issue. Now after
reading JfY my suspicions have been aroused that a fair investigation
of the matter has not been done yet" (SKCON ,Soho St,
London. Date 28/11/03). But
not to worry Maharaja. We know what it takes to stand by one's
beliefs: overnight, and in spite of decades of service, you would be
"relegated" to a "poison vadi" with an
"axe to grind"; a "ritvik", an "unreliable
authority" who needs to be "punished by a virtuous
ksatriya". Not everyone's cup-a-cha is it, Maharaja?
frankly I am not sure whether Srila Prabhupada was poisoned or not.
But I cannot rule it out. Neither am I against you because you are
convinced he was.<<
may be the last letter that we share on this matter. Please
allow us to impress on you one single fact: it is not what you
believe, or what BIF believes, or what the GBC believes.
Belief is based on the verdict of an accredited authority
subsequent to research and conclusion. To this point there has
been none, and unless we act while the suspects are still here, Srila
Prabhupada's samadhi will be vulnerable to future inquisition.
thing is, that ,as you have allready noted,I am not ready to take up
this issue as my personal baby and priority in devotional
life.Pursueing this issue as a priority cannot sustain my Krishna
Nor do we expect
you to have any babies. If you can maintain your celibacy
vis-a-vis souls sacrificed on the altar of GBC policy, you would have
done greater than most ISKCON gurus, what to speak of sannyasis.
...What do you think my priority should be?<<
is really nothing we expected you to do other than remind the GBC
of a pending investigation. What else could you do besides write
a letter telling the GBC how you feel, and then write an apology
for speaking your mind, or end up labelled with a
cock-n-bull misnomer, and exile? You did go thru this with the 'ritvik
issue', didn't you?
off on this one you should know: BIF team members preach around
the world; attend programs; have beautiful deities; chant,
read, take prasadam, do bhajans and dance. We also maintain
our homes and families. We have priorities too. The cult
propagated myth that once a devotee stops contributing to the GBC
he/she falls into a void, is utter nonsense.
certainly glad you are all sincerely and staunchly pursueing this
poisoning issue for purifying ISKCON of a possible burden of guilt. I
can certainly be at your service but only
according to my practical capacity as a sannyasi with other priorities
at the moment.<<
We are pursuing
justice for His Divine Grace; a civil right, condoned by God and
mammon. ISKCON will need to deal with its own burden of guilt.
Your service to us would suffice in your remembering us to Srila
Prabhupada when you speak with him. Thank You.
this is dissappointment to you all.<<
hinge only on our own commitment, ergo there is no disappointment in
the success or failing of others. Your spiritual well being is
our only wish, and since you are not going to pristine Africa simply
to manufacture more cans of GBC worms, we feel no disappointment.
this finds you all well in Krishna Consciousness,<<
....And we wish
you well in yours. YS